Folks, One thing I noticed on eliminating klogd from my Red Hat 7.3 system was that kernel messages were then being printed on the console. Looking further into it, it seems that klogd invokes a sysctl option to suppress certain messages (in particular packet filtering messages). The same effect can be managed with the command: /sbin/sysctl -n -w kernel.printk=6 on starting syslog-ng, and: /sbin/sysctl -n -w kernel.printk=7 on shutdown. One other item I did to make it a total drop in was write the pid file to /var/run/syslogd.pid, by invoking syslog-ng with: /usr/local/sbin/syslog-ng -p /var/run/syslogd.pid (These are all items that could be in the FAQ.) Frank Crawford -- ac3 Suite G16, Bay 7, Locomotive Workshop Phone: 02 9209 4600 Australian Technology Park Fax: 02 9209 4611 Eveleigh NSW 1430