ok, I have tried 2ce (even using this list) and still have problems that just get dropped by the wayside, so resorting to a more basic approach. So with that, I have 8 ubunutu servers all running apache and I wish/need to have a place for all the logs to reside. I tried syslog-ng with hand updating the conf files, even tried using webmin to build, still can't get it to start, etc. So how about feedback on this. If all the webservers share an nfs mount for the web images, what if I change the log's to just point to those mounts and write them there? I don't know if syslog-ng streams them, waits till x size then copies them over, but since I can't get it working, figured the users/group here might say sure, we've seen a few posts by you, and yea, just do that, or have some really basic ideas as to why, maybe a few sample config's as all the help etc. I have yet to see a working config (both server and client) to try to undserstand why there are problems. Thanks to all Lance SFU(syslog fustrated user)